- Posted by jbviau
- Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:35
Espresso: smaller dose, anyone?
The other day a Home-Barista member made a post about how he was enjoying Compass Coffee’s Delirium espresso blend more at 15 g. than at the recommended 18 g. Now I haven’t ever tasted this blend and know little about Compass other than the fact that they’re a Home-Barista sponsor; it’s the reply by a Compass barista (Bryan Wray), which I’ll quote in full below for discussion purposes, that interests me more:
“I think it depends on what you're looking for out of your espresso. Generally I categorize flavors into three areas: creamy, nutty, fruity and roasty. If you like a creamy/nutty (think chocolate and praline) shot then a lower dose (I wouldn't take it as low as 15g, but your tastes are just that, yours, and you're definitely a better judge of your own palate than me! lol) is going to suit you best. You'll still grab "fruit" flavors, but they're more like the blossoms of those fruits--softer and less dominant in the cup.
If you like a little bit sweeter and perhaps more intense shot then bring the dose up a couple grams and you'll really start to see things develop more layers.
This past weekend I heard someone say something that I had never really considered in as direct terms as he laid them out to be. Sam Purvis, of Coava in Portland, mentioned after his finals round run in the NWRBC that he was debating between 2 different roast dates. One date had more intensity where each layer had a more defined starting and stopping point. He said tipping the shot back gave you a rush of different flavors. The other roast date (the one he ended up going with) was interesting to him because, as he said it, "There were no starting and stopping points. It lingers in a way that you almost can't tell if you're still drinking it or if you have stopped."
I think of all the great things that you can take away from a weekend of watching the best baristas in the country compete, this one will hang with me for a very long time.
So, if you like your shot to have a dramatic, layer-upon-layer profile then most certainly up dose a little. If you want your shot to present itself as a uniform, balanced, well paced shot, then scoop a little off during that distribution ritual and it will pay off big time for your taste buds.”
As it happens, I had read this just after pulling two very good shots of Velton’s new Yemen at the roaster’s recommended 16-g. dose. That’s lower than my usual 18 g., and the results were delicious. For whatever reason, I’d never “downdosed” before in my brief flirtations with espresso, but you can bet I’ll continue playing with dose from now on!
Of course, this could all be extremely bean-dependent, and a possible confounding factor in my case is that these are the first shots pulled on my Classic after having adjusted the OPV. It’s too early to make any firm conclusions about what’s going on. Still, my interest is piqued, and I’m drinking much more espresso than usual as a result.
I know some of you leverheads are used to smaller shots, and I’ll bet others among us with non-lever machines have already experimented with lower doses. Is the barista quoted above onto something? If so, it seems I’m a creamy/nutty espresso guy.
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Currently drinking: Velton’s Yemen Mokha Harasi
In the mail: A surprise from Tonx + Kickstand cold brew coffee concentrate











REVIEWS & COMMENTS
@WAKEKNOT
jbviau | Sun, 02/12/2012 - 12:08Interesting. If I had to choose an extreme, it would be the one with flavors/layers that I could identify, i.e. that weren't shouted so loudly that they merged.
PERHAPS HE IS
Wakeknot | Thu, 02/09/2012 - 21:19onto something, but on the other hand I feel like going up in dose makes things more intense but going down reveals more layers (because you can hear them instead of just hearing shouting). I like some coffees each way.
@SON TON
jbviau | Fri, 02/03/2012 - 08:43Good point. I've read my Classic is less picky in this respect than its direct competitor, the Silvia.
ALSO MACHINE DEPENDENT!
Son Ton | Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:49The dose is also very machine depedent if you have machine such as Elektra which usually like lower dose or a Pavoni which the normal dose where it would just be right under the dispersion screen would be 12 grams.
@KARRDE
jbviau | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:1517 g. seems like a happy medium. Did you like that 15-g. shot you pulled out of necessity? I wonder.
@AVASERFI
jbviau | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:13I'm sure I'll learn a lot by experimenting in the way you describe. The grinder's dialed in pretty well with this bean, so tomorrow maybe I'll pull 16-, 17-, and 18-g. shots in quick succession and compare.
@STEVE RHINEHART
jbviau | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:46I'm up for riding the beast! Funny that you say that about downdosing and finicky shots--just this morning I began to feel the need to be more consistent with my temp. surfing routine. It's due to caring more about espresso lately, and if regulating temp. pays extra dividends in terms of shot quality with smaller doses then so much the better!
@INTREPID510
jbviau | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:42Ah. What's old is new again (to me, at least). Time will tell if I eventually drift back up in dose.
I USUALLY USE 17G AS A BASE
Karrde | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 18:07I usually use 17g as a base and then go from 17-20g to dial it in to my personal taste. I haven't tried 15g though unless I'm running really low on coffee.
EXPERIMENTATION
avaserfi | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 14:32I tend to dose around 18-19 grams with most coffees, but as an experiment I often try to down-dose and up-dose to help train my pallet and learn dosing affects on flavors. I always end up around my 18 gram dose in the end.
EXPERIMENT
Steve Rhinehart | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:56I'm a leverhead, so I can't get much more than 14g in my basket. But beyond that, even when I had a 58mm pump machine, I'd try the odd smaller dose, especially when getting a feel for a new blend. The real point of the experiment is to find that balance between dose, beverage volume/weight, temperature, and time. A smaller dosed normale might actually have better flavor clarity than an updosed shot, but it will be more finicky in terms of grind and temp. Updosing helps pull out a lot of sweetness, and often more acidity, both emphasized more by pulling ristretto. So yeah, it depends on what you're looking for, as well as how in control of all your parameters you are. Espresso can really be a wild beast sometimes, but it can be sweet and rewarding if you can tame it.
FUNNY I FEEL LIKE I AM GOING
intrepid510 | Tue, 01/31/2012 - 13:53Funny I feel like I am going the exact opposite I have always dosed around 15 grams and am now moving up a little and liking what I am getting. Basically just sweeter coffees with less acidity.